1 00:00:00,475 --> 00:00:17,829 This series presents information based in part on theory and conjecture. 2 00:00:17,829 --> 00:00:22,347 The producer's purpose is to suggest some possible explanations, but not necessarily 3 00:00:22,347 --> 00:00:29,464 the only ones to the mysteries we will examine. 4 00:00:29,464 --> 00:00:34,462 The dream became reality in 1969. 5 00:00:34,462 --> 00:00:42,459 A number of the astronauts who would travel to the moon brought back stories of special perceptions they had in space. 6 00:00:42,459 --> 00:00:50,456 Astronaut Edgar Mitchell was so intrigued that on his 1971 voyage to the moon, he attempted a secret experiment. 7 00:00:50,456 --> 00:00:55,455 Mitchell tried to send telepathic images to four colleagues on Earth. 8 00:00:55,455 --> 00:00:58,453 The results were analyzed by mathematicians. 9 00:00:58,453 --> 00:01:06,450 They concluded that the odds against duplicating Mitchell's results by chance were 3,000 to one. 10 00:01:06,450 --> 00:01:12,448 You ready? Okay, pay attention now. Think of what I'm thinking of. Here I go. 11 00:01:12,448 --> 00:01:20,445 The same simple experiment Edgar Mitchell performed from the moon has been performed by amateurs and scientists on Earth for 50 years. 12 00:01:20,445 --> 00:01:27,443 The results argue persuasively that something more than chance is at work. 13 00:01:27,443 --> 00:01:33,440 They also indicate that at one time or another, most people exhibit some ESP power. 14 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:45,436 Children are often particularly sensitive. Perhaps that's because no one has taught them to laugh at ESP. 15 00:01:45,436 --> 00:01:50,434 There are newer, more sophisticated ways of testing ESP. 16 00:01:50,434 --> 00:01:57,431 Tests that seem to confirm some ability in people beyond what is considered to be the normal range. 17 00:01:57,431 --> 00:02:02,430 Investigators are beginning to find ways to perfect those abilities. 18 00:02:02,430 --> 00:02:09,427 ESP is real, they believe, and it can be taught to almost anyone who is willing to learn. 19 00:02:16,424 --> 00:02:21,422 You know why you're here? Why are we here? 20 00:02:21,422 --> 00:02:25,421 ESP. What is ESP? 21 00:02:25,421 --> 00:02:27,420 Extracecensoring perception. 22 00:02:27,420 --> 00:02:29,419 What does that mean? 23 00:02:29,419 --> 00:02:32,418 I know what it means. I think we can predict the future. 24 00:02:32,418 --> 00:02:33,418 Predict the future? 25 00:02:33,418 --> 00:02:35,417 You can read people's minds. 26 00:02:35,417 --> 00:02:39,416 Okay, good. What did I just do? 27 00:02:39,416 --> 00:02:41,415 I heard it. 28 00:02:41,415 --> 00:02:43,414 I heard it. 29 00:02:43,414 --> 00:02:46,413 You heard it and you saw me. That's right. You use two senses. 30 00:02:46,413 --> 00:02:49,412 We have five senses. We just use two of them. 31 00:02:49,412 --> 00:02:54,410 Hearing is one, seeing is one, smelling is one, tasting is one. 32 00:02:54,410 --> 00:02:57,409 You get the added feeling. Exactly. 33 00:02:57,409 --> 00:03:00,408 My hand is on your arm. How do you know? 34 00:03:00,408 --> 00:03:04,406 You can feel it and you can see it. Two senses working. 35 00:03:04,406 --> 00:03:05,406 We have five senses. 36 00:03:05,406 --> 00:03:13,403 Now, there's a possibility that we may be able to tell each other things without using the senses. 37 00:03:13,403 --> 00:03:18,401 Without hearing, seeing, tasting, tasting, smelling, that's right for your mind. 38 00:03:18,401 --> 00:03:21,400 That's right. That means extrasensory communication. 39 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,399 That means outside of the five senses. Okay? There's a possibility. 40 00:03:25,399 --> 00:03:27,398 Okay, here we go. Each take a pad. 41 00:03:27,398 --> 00:03:31,396 The children are fourth graders from a Los Angeles area public school. 42 00:03:31,396 --> 00:03:35,395 They were selected on the basis of their enthusiasm for the experiment. 43 00:03:35,395 --> 00:03:39,393 None has had his ESP ability tested before. 44 00:03:39,393 --> 00:03:47,390 The test was designed by the late Dr. Joseph Rine, a pioneer ESP researcher at Duke University. 45 00:03:47,390 --> 00:03:53,388 I have here a deck of 25 cards and these are the symbols. Okay? 46 00:03:53,388 --> 00:04:02,385 This is a wave. There's a star. There's a plus or a cross. A circle and a square. Okay? 47 00:04:02,385 --> 00:04:09,382 Here's what we're going to do. We're going to see if it's possible for you to read my mind to see if we can communicate. 48 00:04:09,382 --> 00:04:15,380 There's no problem because it's going to be a very simple procedure that I'll explain how I'll do it. Okay? 49 00:04:15,380 --> 00:04:20,378 I'm laying the deck down here. I'm going to pick up one card at a time. 50 00:04:20,378 --> 00:04:27,376 When I pick it up and look at it, I will concentrate on the picture that's on the card and I will say ready. Okay? 51 00:04:27,376 --> 00:04:37,372 As soon as you get a hunch or a feeling or an idea of what that picture is, put a check on number one under the image that you think I'm looking at. 52 00:04:37,372 --> 00:04:41,370 Is that clear? Okay? All right, let's begin then. 53 00:04:41,370 --> 00:04:48,368 Professor Rine gave this identical test to thousands of persons during his three decades of ESP research. 54 00:04:48,368 --> 00:04:56,365 With the aid of statisticians, Rine plotted the scores that could be attributed to luck and the scores that couldn't. 55 00:04:56,365 --> 00:05:02,362 In this test, two children scored much higher than random chance would dictate. 56 00:05:02,362 --> 00:05:06,361 One child did worse than he might have done by simply guessing. 57 00:05:06,361 --> 00:05:14,358 Investigators call this phenomenon a negative ESP effect. The test was given a second time. 58 00:05:18,356 --> 00:05:44,347 Ready. 23. Ready. 24. Ready. 25. Ready. 59 00:05:44,347 --> 00:05:47,346 Okay, you got them all? Yeah. 60 00:05:47,346 --> 00:05:53,343 Okay, tell you what we're going to do this time. We all have the same cards. We all have a group of five cards. 61 00:05:53,343 --> 00:06:00,341 After the second run-through, it was apparent that some children who did well the first time had fallen behind. 62 00:06:00,341 --> 00:06:06,339 Other children who scored poorly at first did much better the second time. 63 00:06:06,339 --> 00:06:13,336 A new test was improvised to see if the children who were improving would continue to do so. 64 00:06:13,336 --> 00:06:18,334 I'm going to take one card and I'm going to study it. 65 00:06:18,334 --> 00:06:22,333 I'm going to hold it right here. You don't know what it is. I'm going to study it. 66 00:06:22,333 --> 00:06:26,331 I want you to pick out of your hand the card that you think I'm holding. 67 00:06:26,331 --> 00:06:30,330 When you think you know what I'm holding, pick it out of your hand. 68 00:06:30,330 --> 00:06:34,328 Don't let anybody see what you're doing and put it on the table. 69 00:06:34,328 --> 00:06:39,326 Are we all done? Okay, we've all made a choice. Okay, here goes my card. 70 00:06:39,326 --> 00:06:42,325 Now, turn over and let's see what you got. 71 00:06:44,324 --> 00:06:48,323 Very interesting. Okay, four of you picked up my message. 72 00:06:48,323 --> 00:06:52,321 Maybe I did a pretty good job sending messages that time. 73 00:06:52,321 --> 00:06:57,320 Four of you got my message, right? Okay, let's do it again. 74 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,318 Shuffle them up. Okay, very good. 75 00:07:00,318 --> 00:07:06,316 All right, I'm going to pick a card. I'm going to concentrate on it very hard. 76 00:07:06,316 --> 00:07:11,314 See if you can tell what I'm looking at. 77 00:07:11,314 --> 00:07:15,313 I'm staring at it very hard. We all got the message? 78 00:07:15,313 --> 00:07:16,313 Yeah. 79 00:07:16,313 --> 00:07:19,311 Okay, here we go. Turn them over. 80 00:07:19,311 --> 00:07:21,311 I have a circle. 81 00:07:21,311 --> 00:07:24,310 Oh, I got it too hard. 82 00:07:24,310 --> 00:07:28,308 All right, we did three that time. I did a little bit of the first time, didn't I? 83 00:07:28,308 --> 00:07:31,307 You got both of them. How many got it twice in a row? 84 00:07:31,307 --> 00:07:33,306 Just the one. Okay. 85 00:07:33,306 --> 00:07:38,304 Relax, this is not hard work. This is not hard work except for me. 86 00:07:38,304 --> 00:07:41,303 Okay, we ready? 87 00:07:41,303 --> 00:07:46,301 All right, I'm picking a card right now and I have it. 88 00:07:46,301 --> 00:07:52,299 Everybody down? Everybody got a card down. Turn it over. Let's see what you got. 89 00:07:52,299 --> 00:07:55,298 Okay, well, I didn't do very well that time. 90 00:07:55,298 --> 00:07:58,297 Look at how many of you thought I was holding a star? 91 00:07:58,297 --> 00:08:00,296 I got three out of three. 92 00:08:00,296 --> 00:08:04,295 In the first written test, J.J. scored lowest. 93 00:08:04,295 --> 00:08:08,293 Now it looked like he was coming on strong. 94 00:08:08,293 --> 00:08:12,292 I am making a choice. Choosing. 95 00:08:12,292 --> 00:08:19,289 Okay, here we go. I'm looking at a card. Now, I may, it may be any one of the five. 96 00:08:19,289 --> 00:08:21,288 I'm not going to try to trick you or anything like that. 97 00:08:21,288 --> 00:08:25,287 It may be any one of the five and I have it. 98 00:08:25,287 --> 00:08:28,286 I have it. 99 00:08:28,286 --> 00:08:32,284 Be careful now. See if you can get what I've got here. 100 00:08:32,284 --> 00:08:35,283 Everybody down? Turn them over. Let's see what you got. 101 00:08:35,283 --> 00:08:38,282 J.J., you did it again. 102 00:08:38,282 --> 00:08:41,281 That's four in a row. That's remarkable. 103 00:08:41,281 --> 00:08:44,280 Okay, very interesting. One more time. 104 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,279 Okay, I'm making a choice. 105 00:08:47,279 --> 00:08:51,277 I have just chosen a card. Make a choice. 106 00:08:51,277 --> 00:08:53,276 Make a choice and put it down. 107 00:08:53,276 --> 00:08:56,275 Okay, you ready? All right, let's see how we do. 108 00:08:56,275 --> 00:09:00,274 Turn it over. J.J., that's five in a row. 109 00:09:00,274 --> 00:09:03,273 Five in a row. 110 00:09:03,273 --> 00:09:05,272 You sure you're not reading my mind? You must be. 111 00:09:05,272 --> 00:09:08,271 So something's happening between J.J. and I. 112 00:09:08,271 --> 00:09:11,270 It's a message taking place. Very interesting. 113 00:09:11,270 --> 00:09:16,268 Okay, it seems that even in an experiment as simple and as primitive as this, 114 00:09:16,268 --> 00:09:18,267 some patterns do develop. 115 00:09:18,267 --> 00:09:23,265 It's also obvious in this particular experiment that at least one individual 116 00:09:23,265 --> 00:09:28,263 showed a remarkable development of his ability to track in on his ESP power. 117 00:09:28,263 --> 00:09:39,259 It is possible that ESP's skill is like musical ability, 118 00:09:39,259 --> 00:09:44,257 something that most normal people can perfect with study and practice. 119 00:09:44,257 --> 00:09:49,256 Certainly, there are young virtuosos in ESP, just as there are in music. 120 00:09:54,254 --> 00:10:01,251 Performances by ESP virtuosos, if indeed that's what they are, attract a lot of attention. 121 00:10:01,251 --> 00:10:07,249 Public acceptance of ESP and other psychic phenomena appears to be increasing. 122 00:10:07,249 --> 00:10:11,247 Behavior that once got people burned at the stake. 123 00:10:14,246 --> 00:10:18,245 Researchers include ESP, among other expressions of psychic power, 124 00:10:18,245 --> 00:10:23,243 like the professibility of some to bend metal with their minds. 125 00:10:23,243 --> 00:10:30,240 My son Christopher here, seated in front of you, is going to be the one that... 126 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:37,238 Dr. Lawrence Kennedy uses spoon bending to illustrate the power he believes everyone can be trained to use. 127 00:10:37,238 --> 00:10:43,235 We're using an energy that surrounds this planet that's here for all of us to use. 128 00:10:43,235 --> 00:10:47,234 This is coming from a source that you've all been trained to use. 129 00:10:47,234 --> 00:10:51,232 Everybody can do this phenomenon. 130 00:10:53,232 --> 00:11:00,229 It feels like one of those plastic swivel sticks, as I started saying, that has been heated over a candle. 131 00:11:06,227 --> 00:11:11,225 Everybody see that? Or did it happen too fast? When it goes, it goes like right now. 132 00:11:11,225 --> 00:11:16,223 How's yours doing Chris, huh? Getting there? 133 00:11:24,220 --> 00:11:26,219 There you go. 134 00:11:31,218 --> 00:11:34,216 Many investigators now believe ESP can be taught. 135 00:11:34,216 --> 00:11:39,215 At a farm in Afton, Virginia, a teaching experiment is about to begin. 136 00:11:40,214 --> 00:11:43,213 The farmhouse contains a modern electronic laboratory. 137 00:11:43,213 --> 00:11:46,212 It is the work of retired businessman Robert Monroe. 138 00:11:46,212 --> 00:11:53,209 He and assistant Nancy Honeycutt attempt to teach others how to separate mind from body. 139 00:11:53,209 --> 00:11:56,208 It is a feat Monroe has learned through trial and error. 140 00:11:56,208 --> 00:12:00,207 We're going to start off by putting the electrodes on. 141 00:12:02,206 --> 00:12:05,205 From this, we're reading the galvanic body response. 142 00:12:05,205 --> 00:12:09,203 And it gives us an indication of how relaxed you are. 143 00:12:09,203 --> 00:12:13,202 And then we can have some idea of how you're doing here. 144 00:12:14,201 --> 00:12:17,200 Do you hear me? Yes, I hear you clearly. 145 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:21,199 How do you feel? Quite relaxed. 146 00:12:21,199 --> 00:12:23,198 That's very good. Very good. 147 00:12:24,198 --> 00:12:27,197 Should I go through my regular breathing exercise? 148 00:12:28,196 --> 00:12:31,195 Just begin your resonant breathing exercise. 149 00:12:31,195 --> 00:12:33,194 Your resonant breathing exercise. 150 00:12:33,194 --> 00:12:35,194 Start it now. 151 00:12:36,193 --> 00:12:41,191 The experiment is designed to give people a new perspective on the power of their minds. 152 00:12:44,190 --> 00:12:50,188 Monroe's work is being paralleled on a somewhat larger scale, nearby at the University of Virginia. 153 00:12:53,187 --> 00:12:56,186 At the American Institute for Psychical Research in New York, 154 00:12:56,186 --> 00:13:02,184 a man named Alex Tannis is about to undergo an elaborate test of his ESP powers. 155 00:13:03,183 --> 00:13:09,181 From an insulated cage, Tannis will try to project his mind's eye into a nearby lab, 156 00:13:10,181 --> 00:13:13,179 there to see an image projected on a screen. 157 00:13:19,177 --> 00:13:23,176 I'm now at the window looking in. 158 00:13:24,175 --> 00:13:28,174 The window Tannis refers to is behind the researchers. 159 00:13:29,174 --> 00:13:34,172 Tannis must concentrate on seeing a symbol displayed against a randomly selected color. 160 00:13:34,172 --> 00:13:36,171 Alright, Alex. 161 00:13:37,171 --> 00:13:42,169 Upper right hand, red slave. 162 00:13:44,168 --> 00:13:51,165 Tannis' unusual powers are the product of long study and training at several scientific institutions. 163 00:13:53,165 --> 00:13:57,163 The University of California's Davis Campus, near Sacramento. 164 00:13:58,163 --> 00:14:03,161 Here, as elsewhere, ESP is undergoing increasing scientific scrutiny. 165 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,159 Dr. Charles Tartt is a psychologist. 166 00:14:09,159 --> 00:14:12,158 ESP is really the name for a paradox. 167 00:14:12,158 --> 00:14:15,156 It means something happens, information gets transmitted, 168 00:14:15,156 --> 00:14:17,156 and we don't know what to do. 169 00:14:17,156 --> 00:14:21,154 We think it shouldn't get there given the way we understand the physical universe. 170 00:14:21,154 --> 00:14:24,153 I'd like to be able to say it's a certain kind of energy, 171 00:14:24,153 --> 00:14:27,152 but we can't say that. We don't know enough about it. 172 00:14:27,152 --> 00:14:30,151 What we have to do is start where other sciences started, 173 00:14:30,151 --> 00:14:36,149 and our infancy is simply observe what happens and hope we can find some regularities that will do it. 174 00:14:36,149 --> 00:14:41,147 The major point of my research is to start with the scientific side of the subject. 175 00:14:41,147 --> 00:14:44,146 And hope we can find some regularities that will do it. 176 00:14:44,146 --> 00:14:49,144 The major point of my research is to start with college students, 177 00:14:49,144 --> 00:14:53,142 find those who have some latent ability to use ESP, 178 00:14:53,142 --> 00:14:56,141 and train them so they can use it strongly and regularly. 179 00:14:56,141 --> 00:14:58,140 That's what it's all about. 180 00:14:58,140 --> 00:15:03,138 Dr. Tartt has chosen Karen Kamastia for an exhaustive battery of tests. 181 00:15:04,138 --> 00:15:10,136 This is the 10-choice ESP trainer that you're going to work out on today. 182 00:15:10,136 --> 00:15:13,135 What it basically is, is 10 different options. 183 00:15:13,135 --> 00:15:16,134 I'm going to go off in the next room in a few minutes, 184 00:15:16,134 --> 00:15:21,132 and I will randomly select one of these to be the target and try to send it to you. 185 00:15:21,132 --> 00:15:25,130 When I do the green light, I'll come on so you'll know I'm sending. 186 00:15:25,130 --> 00:15:31,128 What you want to do is do whatever feels right inside you to try and get an ESP impression. 187 00:15:31,128 --> 00:15:35,127 And when you've got it, push the button of what you think it is. 188 00:15:35,127 --> 00:15:41,124 Now, it makes it easier for me to send if you kind of run your hand around, 189 00:15:41,124 --> 00:15:45,123 so I get an idea of when you're close and when you're not. 190 00:15:45,123 --> 00:15:51,121 Okay, and then once you push it, whatever the right one was, it'll light up in the circle, 191 00:15:51,121 --> 00:15:54,119 and you'll be able to tell whether you were right or wrong, 192 00:15:54,119 --> 00:15:58,118 and why you were right or wrong in just half, so you'll have a chance to learn ESP. 193 00:15:58,118 --> 00:15:59,118 Okay? 194 00:16:00,117 --> 00:16:04,116 This TV camera is what gives me that ability to see what you're doing. 195 00:16:05,115 --> 00:16:09,114 This is the inside of the sender's chamber, 196 00:16:09,114 --> 00:16:14,112 and this is the TV screen that shows the receiver's panel. 197 00:16:14,112 --> 00:16:18,111 She doesn't have her hand on it yet because we haven't actually started the trial. 198 00:16:18,111 --> 00:16:24,108 You can see we have basically an identical panel here that the sender can concentrate on, 199 00:16:24,108 --> 00:16:30,106 and to actually start the ESP sending, I push this lever to choose and load, 200 00:16:30,106 --> 00:16:34,105 which randomly selects a number. I have nothing to do with it. It's not electronically. 201 00:16:34,105 --> 00:16:40,102 And then when I pull the present lever, the machine is randomly chosen target five. 202 00:16:40,102 --> 00:16:46,100 You can see that Karen seen the ready light come on and is now beginning to move her hand around, 203 00:16:46,100 --> 00:16:51,098 and when she gets close to number five, I'm going to try to tell her that's it. 204 00:16:51,098 --> 00:16:56,096 This is the time for her to make a choice, and when she makes that choice, 205 00:16:56,096 --> 00:16:58,096 it's going to be recorded automatically on a typewriter. 206 00:16:58,096 --> 00:17:01,095 There she is. Now she paused over since she went on. 207 00:17:01,095 --> 00:17:04,093 Now she's cold. 208 00:17:04,093 --> 00:17:06,093 Come on, come on. Hit it, Karen. 209 00:17:16,089 --> 00:17:22,087 Karen misses. The typewriter automatically records her selection and the time she took to make it. 210 00:17:32,083 --> 00:17:41,080 What I'm trying to do is work on a theory that says you learn anything by trying and seeing whether you succeed or fail. 211 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:49,077 But you've got to know immediately so you can associate what your internal mental state is with whether or not you succeed or fail. 212 00:17:49,077 --> 00:17:52,076 I'm going to do that one too. 213 00:17:52,076 --> 00:17:58,073 What I've been trying to do in research is give people immediate feedback as to whether they're right or wrong 214 00:17:58,073 --> 00:18:00,073 and how they're wrong. 215 00:18:00,073 --> 00:18:06,070 They go through an ESP task so they can learn what goes with being right, what goes with being wrong, 216 00:18:06,070 --> 00:18:08,070 and then change their strategy. 217 00:18:08,070 --> 00:18:12,068 So when they start feeling those things that go with being right, they'll respond, 218 00:18:12,068 --> 00:18:17,066 and when they feel the things that go with being wrong, they'll wait or try to change their internal state. 219 00:18:17,066 --> 00:18:21,065 This, I hope, will be a key to better, more reliable ESP. 220 00:18:28,062 --> 00:18:33,060 The brain is the most scientific thinking today about the brain. 221 00:18:33,060 --> 00:18:38,058 It assumes that basically consciousness is nothing but brain activity. 222 00:18:38,058 --> 00:18:48,055 All your loves, your fears, your hopes, everything that matters to you eventually comes down to nothing but electrical and chemical impulses in the brain. 223 00:18:48,055 --> 00:18:54,052 And I think that's in many ways the most scientific thinking today about the brain. 224 00:18:54,052 --> 00:18:57,051 We're talking about electrical and chemical impulses in the brain. 225 00:18:57,051 --> 00:19:00,050 And I think that's in many ways a true view. 226 00:19:00,050 --> 00:19:08,047 The brain is certainly important, but also a distressing view, because it leaves out what we might call the spiritual dimension of man. 227 00:19:08,047 --> 00:19:14,045 Now, my research is aimed at finding out whether that spiritual dimension really exists. 228 00:19:14,045 --> 00:19:20,043 Is the brain really nothing but a blown-up computer of the sort anyone can buy now? 229 00:19:20,043 --> 00:19:23,042 Are there any orders of magnitude more complex? 230 00:19:23,042 --> 00:19:27,040 Or is ESP that something extra that people have talked about? 231 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:43,034 Music 232 00:19:43,034 --> 00:19:46,033 The village of Tiawanaco, Bolivia. 233 00:19:46,033 --> 00:19:53,030 It is an old village, but the strange stone figures that watch over it are older still. 234 00:19:53,030 --> 00:19:55,030 Karen Getzla is a psychic. 235 00:19:55,030 --> 00:20:03,027 She has traveled all this way from the campus of Duke University to help unravel the mystery of the stones. 236 00:20:03,027 --> 00:20:07,025 Explorer David Zink has sent for her. 237 00:20:07,025 --> 00:20:11,024 Music 238 00:20:11,024 --> 00:20:14,023 Karen is considered something of a mystery herself. 239 00:20:15,022 --> 00:20:20,020 Investigators at Duke University have been baffled by the strength of her ESP power. 240 00:20:20,020 --> 00:20:26,018 She feels that the same kind of ESP power is evident in the debris of Tiawanaco. 241 00:20:26,018 --> 00:20:34,015 Karen believes that the mysterious architects of these ruins had psychic abilities beyond the reach of modern men. 242 00:20:34,015 --> 00:20:41,013 There may be an important lesson here for we who are just beginning to explore the possibilities of the mind. 243 00:20:41,013 --> 00:20:47,010 How could a civilization with advanced psychic skills have vanished without a trace? 244 00:20:47,010 --> 00:20:51,009 It's a nice clear line coming up. 245 00:20:51,009 --> 00:20:56,007 I can't believe that it would just be coming up with a couple of dumb pieces of the sign. 246 00:20:56,007 --> 00:20:59,006 Where is the main energy coming from? 247 00:20:59,006 --> 00:21:01,005 It's in a really clear line. 248 00:21:01,005 --> 00:21:03,004 Back towards Tiawanaco? 249 00:21:03,004 --> 00:21:07,003 Back towards Tiawanaco, but it's in the ground I think. 250 00:21:07,003 --> 00:21:09,002 I wish they could do something. 251 00:21:09,002 --> 00:21:11,001 I had a shovel. 252 00:21:11,001 --> 00:21:18,998 Karen's psychic impressions of Tiawanaco lead her to think the ancients could communicate telepathically. 253 00:21:18,998 --> 00:21:26,995 Once their civilization reached full flower, Karen believes that instead of pushing toward new frontiers of thought, 254 00:21:26,995 --> 00:21:30,994 the ancients turned their minds against each other. 255 00:21:30,994 --> 00:21:34,992 Hopefully, we will not be so foolish. 256 00:21:35,992 --> 00:21:46,988 Coming up next, agents get caught up in one of the most bizarre kidnappings in the FBI's history on FBI The Untold Stories. 257 00:21:46,988 --> 00:21:53,985 Then, history's crimes and trials investigates the terrifying crime spree of the Yorkshire Ripper. 258 00:22:04,981 --> 00:22:09,979 The Untold Stories